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Vince says (12:39 AM):
awake are you
David Nutella! says (12:40 AM):
yes
Vince says (12:40 AM):
but, chatting, huh
David Nutella! says (12:40 AM):
no
Vince says (12:40 AM):
what u up to then?
David Nutella! says (12:40 AM):
music
Vince says (12:40 AM):
ahhhh
David Nutella! says (12:40 AM):
yeah
David Nutella! says (12:40 AM):
high res rips from my CD's
David Nutella! says (12:41 AM):
gotta get a dedicated drive
David Nutella! says (12:41 AM):
9-10MB per song
David Nutella! says (12:41 AM):
100 songs per GB
Vince says (12:42 AM):
can you tell the difference.
David Nutella! says (12:42 AM):
yes.
Vince says (12:42 AM):
you know what apple taught me
David Nutella! says (12:42 AM):
I tried different res
Vince says (12:42 AM):
it is the melody, not the frequencies
David Nutella! says (12:42 AM):
Apple's own encoder sucks
Vince says (12:42 AM):
it's the rhythm, not the beat
David Nutella! says (12:42 AM):
yeah
David Nutella! says (12:42 AM):
that's their justification for a sucky encoder
Vince says (12:42 AM):
that said
Vince says (12:43 AM):
there's room for everyone in the world
Vince says (12:43 AM):
and yea.
David Nutella! says (12:43 AM):
I can have both rhythm and beat
Vince says (12:43 AM):
their encoder sucks
Vince says (12:43 AM):
creative zen micro had better sound
David Nutella! says (12:43 AM):
both melody and frequencies
Vince says (12:43 AM):
than my ipod mini
David Nutella! says (12:43 AM):
I say to Apple.. why not both.
Vince says (12:43 AM):
well
Vince says (12:43 AM):
because apple saved
Vince says (12:43 AM):
and earned
Vince says (12:43 AM):
simple is savings
David Nutella! says (12:44 AM):
ok different strokes for different folks..
Vince says (12:44 AM):
you're a businessman
Vince says (12:44 AM):
so u can do the math
David Nutella! says (12:44 AM):
best of both worlds are available in a free form
David Nutella! says (12:44 AM):
yes
David Nutella! says (12:44 AM):
10MB of freeware beats 80MB of proprietory software for now
Vince says (12:45 AM):
as a businessman
Vince says (12:45 AM):
that's an asinine attitude
Vince says (12:45 AM):
but as a consumer
Vince says (12:45 AM):
power to you.
David Nutella! says (12:45 AM):
we are consumers for now
Vince says (12:45 AM):
we can't live two lives
David Nutella! says (12:45 AM):
if I'm selling iPods.. I'd be singing a different tune
David Nutella! says (12:45 AM):
but then that's another life
Vince says (12:45 AM):
well
David Nutella! says (12:45 AM):
different iTune..
Vince says (12:45 AM):
i meant 'we' as in me
Vince says (12:46 AM):
maybe you can.
Vince says (12:46 AM):
i sure as heck can't.
Vince says (12:46 AM):
i wld want a product that is easy to use
David Nutella! says (12:46 AM):
ok
Vince says (12:46 AM):
so easy, it requires no brains
Vince says (12:46 AM):
because im drunk so often.
David Nutella! says (12:46 AM):
yeah
Vince says (12:46 AM):
second i wld want decent quality and i don't need an engineer to tell me what is decent
Vince says (12:46 AM):
erm, there's probably a third
Vince says (12:46 AM):
but it'd be a turd
David Nutella! says (12:46 AM):
not to mean anything but being drunk would also help drown out the very mild quality difference
Vince says (12:47 AM):
then as a businessman i would ask myself
Vince says (12:47 AM):
that mild quality difference isn't worth a few tens or hundreds of dollars to deliver to people who are already high or stupid
Vince says (12:47 AM):
so i can lower my price, get a sweet spot and still gain market share
David Nutella! says (12:47 AM):
ok
Vince says (12:48 AM):
that all considered
Vince says (12:48 AM):
is why i loved my ipod mini
Vince says (12:48 AM):
and didn't give a shit abt my zen
Vince says (12:48 AM):
just some thoughts
David Nutella! says (12:48 AM):
I hated the iTunes cos they scrambled all the chinese songs titles
Vince says (12:48 AM):
plus my zen brand new , the 3.5mm socket jiggled and loosened
Vince says (12:48 AM):
u can solve that
David Nutella! says (12:48 AM):
yeah song by song
David Nutella! says (12:48 AM):
mad
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
first u gotta listen to the song, ID it, then change it
Vince says (12:49 AM):
well its cool by me, im not a chinese market guy.
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
yeah
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
good for u
Vince says (12:49 AM):
so invent a chinese ipod
Vince says (12:49 AM):
make the china market fly
Vince says (12:49 AM):
solve it but don't lose the potential
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
there is already a chinese iPod
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
tons
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
from Korea
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
iAudio
Vince says (12:49 AM):
so why doesn't yours work
David Nutella! says (12:49 AM):
anyway Foobar works now
David Nutella! says (12:50 AM):
and there's an even more powerful iTunes out there
David Nutella! says (12:50 AM):
Kugou
Vince says (12:50 AM):
oritey
David Nutella! says (12:50 AM):
auto sync with any MP3 player
Vince says (12:50 AM):
sounds good
Vince says (12:50 AM):
no complaints then
David Nutella! says (12:50 AM):
search and download on the fly for all songs
Vince says (12:50 AM):
its like napster lauched a player
David Nutella! says (12:50 AM):
with flying lyrics across the screen
Vince says (12:51 AM):
you know
David Nutella! says (12:51 AM):
yeah
Vince says (12:51 AM):
sometimes i consider 192 worse than 128
David Nutella! says (12:51 AM):
why?
Vince says (12:51 AM):
don't know.
Vince says (12:51 AM):
i just realise it only when i check.
Vince says (12:51 AM):
blind test
David Nutella! says (12:51 AM):
the quality jump is higher at 192 from 128 than 320 from 256
Vince says (12:51 AM):
yes
Vince says (12:51 AM):
but at a highter quality
Vince says (12:52 AM):
the audio engineer's imperfections are also revealed
Vince says (12:52 AM):
its not like they're all good
David Nutella! says (12:52 AM):
....
Vince says (12:52 AM):
Vince's Law
David Nutella! says (12:52 AM):
ok
Vince says (12:52 AM):
in every field, there are good and bad professionals.,.
David Nutella! says (12:52 AM):
can 192 be that revealing yet?
Vince says (12:52 AM):
i just don't like it.
David Nutella! says (12:52 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (12:53 AM):
i'm listening at 320
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:53 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (12:53 AM):
which between that and CD has also a marked difference
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:53 AM):
ahuh.
David Nutella! says (12:54 AM):
only discernable on my speakers and the in ear monitors.. but now listening on the comfy sony clip on's .. no diff
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:54 AM):
yes
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:54 AM):
but the sony clip ons deliver a different stage
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
and a different environment
David Nutella! says (12:55 AM):
it's like you riding on Gina and Moostang
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
u can wear them when you jog
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
no it is not.
David Nutella! says (12:55 AM):
non rider, a bike is a bike is a bike
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
nope.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
disagree
David Nutella! says (12:55 AM):
for u
David Nutella! says (12:55 AM):
it's something else
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
i realised somethign just now
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
when i was riding home
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:55 AM):
einstein, newton and the other physicists
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
they thought in terms of relationships and dimensions
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
newton is all 3D
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
einstein added time
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
audio is like 2D
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
when you add convenience, or accessibility, or price
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
all these are like another dimension
David Nutella! says (12:56 AM):
eureka moment for u
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:56 AM):
and they matter
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:57 AM):
nobody would buy a gina if they don't ride enough to know the difference
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:57 AM):
for them, the world is flat.
David Nutella! says (12:57 AM):
ok
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:57 AM):
so im just redefining some parameters
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:58 AM):
i guess you're the definition of a purist
David Nutella! says (12:58 AM):
really?
David Nutella! says (12:58 AM):
i dunno what I am
David Nutella! says (12:58 AM):
id crisis
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:58 AM):
a purist cannot also be a great businessman.
David Nutella! says (12:58 AM):
what can he be
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:58 AM):
a niche market
David Nutella! says (12:59 AM):
ok
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:59 AM):
u got to sell some majorly popular product that's also great
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (12:59 AM):
but your name wld be steve jobs
David Nutella! says (1:00 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (1:00 AM):
ok
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:00 AM):
like... i dunno
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:00 AM):
bullet trains
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:00 AM):
ferraris
David Nutella! says (1:00 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (1:00 AM):
listening
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:00 AM):
tts a purist matched to a great product
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:00 AM):
passion plus greatness
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:01 AM):
but they are luxury items ..
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:01 AM):
so i wonder if there's any real volume there for a really great businessman
David Nutella! says (1:01 AM):
hmm
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:01 AM):
dichotomy still exists



I am drunk. Do I make sense?

I'm a different kinda drunk nowadays. Less sad, less tears.


David Nutella! says (1:02 AM):
selling.. that's the life huh
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:02 AM):
business is selling i suppose
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:02 AM):
a great product sells itself
David Nutella! says (1:02 AM):
only with proper presentation
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:03 AM):
what happened to your audio company offer?
David Nutella! says (1:03 AM):
on hold apparently.. Seattle HQ waiting out
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:03 AM):
hmmmm
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:03 AM):
you responded ?
David Nutella! says (1:04 AM):
yeah.. no..not pushing
David Nutella! says (1:04 AM):
my ex teacher's only an employee not shareholder
David Nutella! says (1:04 AM):
he can't do much
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:05 AM):
what do they make?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:05 AM):
you should be like
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:05 AM):
a brand manager
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:05 AM):
or an overall had
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:05 AM):
head
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:06 AM):
not just doing regional sales
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:06 AM):
tts like below you
David Nutella! says (1:06 AM):
my lecturer's the regional sales
David Nutella! says (1:06 AM):
so.. I gotta be his boss
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:07 AM):
oooh
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:07 AM):
he recommended you?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:07 AM):
tts nice of him
David Nutella! says (1:08 AM):
yeah
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
hmm
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
is it a good company?
David Nutella! says (1:09 AM):
Mackie
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
Macintosh?
David Nutella! says (1:09 AM):
loud technologies
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
holy.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
oh. not MaC?
David Nutella! says (1:09 AM):
no
David Nutella! says (1:09 AM):
Loud Technology
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (1:09 AM):
let me get u the link
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:09 AM):
nod
David Nutella! says (1:10 AM):
http://www.loudtechinc.com/
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:10 AM):
it suits you
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:11 AM):
but how does marketing happen?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:11 AM):
its not so mainstream after all ....
David Nutella! says (1:12 AM):
it's mostly clubs, event halls, theatres concerts
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:12 AM):
hmmmm
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:12 AM):
then i don't know
David Nutella! says (1:15 AM):
no prob
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:17 AM):
another thought
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:18 AM):
our equalisers, we often optimise them for 128 quality output
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:18 AM):
i think maybe 192 and beyond changes the quality too much ?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:18 AM):
me at least
David Nutella! says (1:18 AM):
eq does not use depend on output resolution
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:18 AM):
or at least the player i use
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
192 or 128, frequencies output are the same
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
only the quantized resolution is affected
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:19 AM):
isn't there more of each frequency
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
IE, harshness
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
no
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:19 AM):
sounds like grain
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
it's still within the 22KHZ bandwidth
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
yes
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
grainy cos of the quantized noice
David Nutella! says (1:19 AM):
noise
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:19 AM):
not so smooth at higher rez?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:19 AM):
or smoother?
David Nutella! says (1:20 AM):
the beat and note is still the same right?
David Nutella! says (1:20 AM):
just that the note is not as smooth at lower res
David Nutella! says (1:20 AM):
think bad violin vs good violin
David Nutella! says (1:20 AM):
same note
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:21 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (1:21 AM):
multiply that a few times as the human voice is much more complex
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:21 AM):
a cheap violin vs a stradivarius?
David Nutella! says (1:21 AM):
well maybe no need to go that far but yes.. that's the point
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:21 AM):
but then now we're talking about subjective quality
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:21 AM):
not quantized quality
David Nutella! says (1:21 AM):
it can be measured
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
a good recording wld capture a good stradi exactly as it captures a bad violin
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
there's no resolution difference
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
u hear quality differences
David Nutella! says (1:22 AM):
original source vs encoded quality on a spectrum analyser
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
but thats not in the recording
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
that's in the source
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:22 AM):
all in your head...?
David Nutella! says (1:22 AM):
no
David Nutella! says (1:22 AM):
certain things are psycho acoustics , certain are not
David Nutella! says (1:23 AM):
pretty obvious on A-B comparisons
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:23 AM):
ok
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:23 AM):
fun
David Nutella! says (1:23 AM):
1. cables do not have sound signature. but of course big cables make u feel good
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:23 AM):
ah no
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:23 AM):
ok try this
David Nutella! says (1:23 AM):
2. cables do not have direction
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:23 AM):
u listen to a good quality recording of two violins
David Nutella! says (1:24 AM):
yes
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:24 AM):
one stradi, the other yamaha
David Nutella! says (1:24 AM):
if the recording is the same, then you will hear the instrument.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:24 AM):
cld u tell which is the better recording?
David Nutella! says (1:24 AM):
in it's trueness
David Nutella! says (1:25 AM):
if it's the same recording technique and hardware, you will hear the instrument difference. if 2 different instruments on 2 different recording techniques, then you'll need the same musician to make any meaningful discernment
David Nutella! says (1:25 AM):
too many variables
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:25 AM):
well
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:25 AM):
tts too many things.
David Nutella! says (1:25 AM):
same violin, 2 recording techniques, yes. I can tell
David Nutella! says (1:25 AM):
in fact
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:25 AM):
im only asking if u can tell which is the better recording
David Nutella! says (1:25 AM):
u can tell too
David Nutella! says (1:26 AM):
yes.
David Nutella! says (1:26 AM):
I should
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:26 AM):
well how do you know you can.
David Nutella! says (1:26 AM):
and you would too.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:26 AM):
you would hear the stradi as the better
David Nutella! says (1:26 AM):
because I heard enough different recordings
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:26 AM):
you won't know they are actually the same recording.
David Nutella! says (1:26 AM):
it's not how well I hear, but what to listen for
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:26 AM):
would you be able to tell that they are both the same quality recording
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:27 AM):
but of different quality violins?
David Nutella! says (1:27 AM):
if the mike technique and position is the same, yes.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:27 AM):
not a question about mike technique
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:27 AM):
a complete blind test
David Nutella! says (1:27 AM):
but that would play me on my ability to discern between the 2 instruments
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:28 AM):
sure, what's the problem with that.
David Nutella! says (1:28 AM):
I will be able to tell that there are 2 different violins
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:28 AM):
my question
David Nutella! says (1:28 AM):
but I won't be able to tell which is better
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:28 AM):
as repeated
David Nutella! says (1:28 AM):
because I'm not a violinist
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:28 AM):
is whether u cld tell which recording is better quality.
David Nutella! says (1:28 AM):
better quality recording, yes. better violin, I don't know.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
i don't think you can.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
be cause you can't draw that line.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
you cannot tell the better recording from the worst
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
because you'd be compensating for the worse violin
David Nutella! says (1:29 AM):
I don't understand
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
and over compensating for the better.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:29 AM):
you're not there in the studio
David Nutella! says (1:30 AM):
if there is an AB comparison with different recording techniques, then the sound represented will be different
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
yes but i didn't say that
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
i only said which is a better recording.
David Nutella! says (1:30 AM):
as in given 2 different CD's of the same song right?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
see how everything dissembles when the simple question is asked
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
no.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
one recording of a good violin
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:30 AM):
one recording of a bad violin
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:31 AM):
ask you: which is a better recording.
David Nutella! says (1:31 AM):
hmm..
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:31 AM):
you don't know how good the violin is
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:31 AM):
and yoiu don't know how bad the bad one is.
David Nutella! says (1:31 AM):
hmm
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:31 AM):
what i call a double blind test
David Nutella! says (1:32 AM):
I don;t think that's a double blind test
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:32 AM):
i twisted it a bit
David Nutella! says (1:33 AM):
well I assume you know what double blind is.. so if it's twisted.. it's twisted.. u just said it
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:33 AM):
it shldn't distract you frm the original question
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:33 AM):
which is the better recording?
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:33 AM):
one that pleases you
David Nutella! says (1:33 AM):
throwing a wrench in the works does lose it's meaning
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:33 AM):
or one that you can tell is bad?
David Nutella! says (1:34 AM):
a human would be inclined to like the better played one. but that does blind him to the better recording
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:34 AM):
such is life. not so purist.
David Nutella! says (1:34 AM):
hmm
David Nutella! says (1:34 AM):
ok
David Nutella! says (1:34 AM):
learning more tonight
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:35 AM):
the best questions are the simplest ones.
Vince's Law. Heard of the Bell Curve? says (1:35 AM):
the worse answers are the complicated ones.