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Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:12 AM):
so script is all cool now?
Akikonomu says (12:12 AM):
the record company boss has to see it
Akikonomu says (12:12 AM):
he has to like it
Akikonomu says (12:13 AM):
and he has to NOT suggest a rewrite
Akikonomu says (12:13 AM):
-___-
Akikonomu says (12:13 AM):
was my second version considered one rewrite?
Akikonomu says (12:14 AM):
the director's telling me that we'll know how much to rewrite and what kind of scenes william wants from the other treatment in the script on wednesday or thursday
Akikonomu says (12:14 AM):
-___-
Akikonomu says (12:14 AM):
i told him i hope he knows to remind william that some scenes can and some scenes can never be transplanted
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
your 2nd version not considered rewriter
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
do you know why
Akikonomu says (12:15 AM):
it was following a presentation by the director to william
Akikonomu says (12:15 AM):
why?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
first write is based on a complete brief
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
if brief not complete, both director / producer and writer equally to blame
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
writer for not asking
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:15 AM):
director/producer for being incompetent
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:16 AM):
the draft you send is necessarily the first draft
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:16 AM):
the client must never know that you had more drafts than this
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:16 AM):
otherwise he'd never pay for a rewrite
Akikonomu says (12:16 AM):
he was shown my first script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:17 AM):
oh
Akikonomu says (12:17 AM):
that much i know
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:17 AM):
haha THEN yes its a rewrite
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:17 AM):
but you had to build it into your agreement that each rewrite cost money lor
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:17 AM):
most companies give 3 rewrites free
Akikonomu says (12:17 AM):
but i don't really know if i want to ask if the producer and director made THAT clear to wiliam
Akikonomu says (12:17 AM):
or whether they know they have to
Akikonomu says (12:18 AM):
knowing the noobness of the producer, i don't think i can assume
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:21 AM):
then its your duty to 'educate' the producer
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:21 AM):
this isnt just your whims ..... its industry best practices
Akikonomu says (12:22 AM):
that is assuming the producer is willing to be educated
Akikonomu says (12:22 AM):
the asshole's not calling me about the pay thing
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:22 AM):
well you're being a professional.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:22 AM):
be a good one
Akikonomu says (12:22 AM):
he must think that i'm no longer chasing it
Akikonomu says (12:22 AM):
LOL
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:22 AM):
i tell you something though
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:22 AM):
even if
Akikonomu says (12:23 AM):
i will speak with him once the script is finished, or should i do it even before
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
he decides not to pay you what you are due
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
you can assert IP rights over your script
Akikonomu says (12:23 AM):
i don't know the stupid way he said to start axing people
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
i strongly suggest you finish all negotiations before you continue
Akikonomu says (12:23 AM):
i know, the nuke button, a stop work order
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
stalling is his way of screwing you.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
classic ok.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
by the time you are done
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:23 AM):
everyone will have their filthy paws in the script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:24 AM):
and you can no longer call it yours in any way.;
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:24 AM):
there goes your IP
Akikonomu says (12:25 AM):
you've seen the treatment by Mak. how much do you think they can claim that treatment was the 'final treatment' that my script was based on?
Akikonomu says (12:25 AM):
=P
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:28 AM):
their counter argument is
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:28 AM):
they came up with the sources
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:28 AM):
also you have to pay attention to what is called the 'money shot'
Akikonomu says (12:28 AM):
?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:28 AM):
the most important part of any script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:29 AM):
you didn't come up with kennix falls in love with wrong brother did you
Akikonomu says (12:29 AM):
that's one of the reasons why i'm not having the stupid swimming pool scene
Akikonomu says (12:29 AM):
and that's why i'm not having the wrong brothers in the script either
Akikonomu says (12:29 AM):
but you know... i DO have a treatment of my own which mak wrote his from
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
relax
Akikonomu says (12:30 AM):
and that one had the brothers, lol
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
it will never get to that point
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
producer will simply decide its too much
Akikonomu says (12:30 AM):
since he's an amateur
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
and just axe the project
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
hell he can start over with another company
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:30 AM):
for free
Akikonomu says (12:30 AM):
i'm not asking for a lump sum. just 75% of his writers budget
Akikonomu says (12:30 AM):
if he uses my script, i get to hit him on the head, no?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:31 AM):
hmmm i think producer should not pay you direct
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:31 AM):
the one who wrangled this deal shld be the one paying
Akikonomu says (12:31 AM):
??
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:31 AM):
so the producer is the client also?
Akikonomu says (12:31 AM):
anyway i'm crafting my sms to him. how should i put it?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:31 AM):
don't sms la
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:31 AM):
just call
Akikonomu says (12:31 AM):
no, the producer is NOT the client
Akikonomu says (12:31 AM):
he's not picking up, lol
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:32 AM):
when's the last cal
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:32 AM):
its 12 am plus
Akikonomu says (12:32 AM):
anyway what should i say. 1. you're not setting the pay dispute. i'm reminding you there is still one.
Akikonomu says (12:32 AM):
and then?
Akikonomu says (12:34 AM):
2. i'm writing the script out of deference to the director, but unless you settle the pay matter, i will assert my IP over the script and refuse to let you produce the short film??
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:34 AM):
don't say all that in sms
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:34 AM):
say i need to talk to you
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:34 AM):
if he doesn't respond
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:35 AM):
tell your director that the producer isn't talking to you
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:35 AM):
observe the hierachy
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:35 AM):
also tell your director - its officially your problem
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:35 AM):
writer director producer
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:35 AM):
tts the chain.
Akikonomu says (12:35 AM):
director says it's in his contract with the producer: he has no power over the producer's handling of money?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
director is the fucking director
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
assert some fucking authority
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
producer's handling of money aside
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
director can tell producer to pick up fucking ph one calls.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
tell your director to grow a spine and two balls
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:36 AM):
although
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:37 AM):
he's broke
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:37 AM):
so director probably takes shit from anyone and everyone
Akikonomu says (12:37 AM):
he's managed to give away his authority in his signed contract with the producer
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:37 AM):
again
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:37 AM):
a contract is just a contract
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:38 AM):
whatever happened to duress and abuse
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:38 AM):
verbal and emotional abuse
Akikonomu says (12:38 AM):
lol
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:38 AM):
trust me ok
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:38 AM):
you're not a director if you've never screamed, scolded or fucked up someone
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:38 AM):
i've seen some tempers flare
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:39 AM):
in fact i've flared plenty
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:39 AM):
i literally told my producers to take my name off the credits
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:39 AM):
wait
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:39 AM):
tts my sales girls
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:39 AM):
hahaha
Akikonomu says (12:44 AM):
well, let's put it this way
Akikonomu says (12:45 AM):
if the director doesn't grow balls and fucks the producer over, it's a clear sign that i shouldn't ever work for him again, no matter what good writing partners we have been
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:45 AM):
yes but have you talked to him
Akikonomu says (12:45 AM):
i have, since the director was the one who made the decision to remove samuel from scriptwriting
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:46 AM):
if you think he is worth it, he deserves a talk and you tell him what should be done. only after then you walk
Akikonomu says (12:46 AM):
and who promised he'll try to settle this with the producer somehow
Akikonomu says (12:46 AM):
=p
Akikonomu says (12:46 AM):
i don't know how much of this asshattery is due to both of them working with jack neo
Akikonomu says (12:47 AM):
the whole writing process is fucked up
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:47 AM):
you got to leave the channel open
Akikonomu says (12:47 AM):
3 writers meeting every alternate day for 2 weeks just so they can present loglines and 3-page treatments to their client
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:48 AM):
so where do you shine in
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:48 AM):
how come 3 writers cannot do all that and write the final script
Akikonomu says (12:48 AM):
i was supposed to be the 4th clown joining in their near daily meetings until i had diarrhoea
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:49 AM):
in that case how did it fall on you to write the script
Akikonomu says (12:49 AM):
sorry.. 3 'writers' = 1 producer, samuel the 7 lines of dialogue fame, and mak the guy who wrote that treatment you said was awful
Akikonomu says (12:49 AM):
because the producer called me up to write the script?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:50 AM):
i say it is awlful but they probably like it
Akikonomu says (12:50 AM):
in the middle of their meet every alternate day phase
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:50 AM):
right did you never ask why they need YOU to write the script when there's 3 people he's got to pay anyway
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:50 AM):
and how come those 3 never contested
Akikonomu says (12:50 AM):
okay. when he told me about it, he didn't mention there were 3 other writers
Akikonomu says (12:51 AM):
the other TWO never contested because they probably know he's giving them far more than what they would normally get?
Akikonomu says (12:51 AM):
or what do you mean by contested... and contested what
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:52 AM):
contested having another writer write their fucking script for which they met 3 times a week for
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:52 AM):
what the hell is that about
Akikonomu says (12:53 AM):
A. they were in the dark about this B. he promised them they'll be paid according to how often they turn up?
Akikonomu says (12:53 AM):
=p
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:53 AM):
i dunno how many times a week they met but being new and being so invested, they had to feel something about having a complete stranger write their story
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:53 AM):
well ask
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:53 AM):
you can speculate
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:53 AM):
asking solves.
Akikonomu says (12:53 AM):
or C he promised them they'd get equal shares?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:53 AM):
equal shares?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
don't think so.
Akikonomu says (12:54 AM):
equal shares of the writing fees
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
overwrought.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
too complicated to guess.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
just ask.
Akikonomu says (12:54 AM):
ask who? the producer?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
sorry but you're going to have to be hollywood.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:54 AM):
just ask.
Akikonomu says (12:54 AM):
director?
Akikonomu says (12:54 AM):
the writers, who i suspect won't want to talk to me?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
get all together, or get ready to lose this time plus your partial rep
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
everyone just fucking talk, like adults
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
if they don't wanna talk
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
you at least know you asked to talk
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
teenagers in film is nothing nwe
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
your rep won't be hurt by being in this
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:55 AM):
but you have to know
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:56 AM):
in fact the way to come out ahead
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:56 AM):
is to be bigger than them
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:56 AM):
do all the right things
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:57 AM):
show them up for being pre-puberty little girls
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (12:57 AM):
and then forge ahead on principle
Akikonomu says (1:01 AM):
you're suggesting i push for a face to face between the producer, the director and myself
Akikonomu says (1:02 AM):
let me rephrase: what do you think if i push for a face to face
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:02 AM):
why bother otherwise
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:02 AM):
its only 300 bucks, 700 tops to you
Akikonomu says (1:03 AM):
potential excuse 1: too busy?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:03 AM):
nobody is too busy for 15 minutes.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:03 AM):
i can call anyone a liar to their face
Akikonomu says (1:03 AM):
potential excuse 2: please let's just settle this till after the client approves of everything and we have money to fight over
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:03 AM):
excuse 2 is no as well.
Akikonomu says (1:03 AM):
which incidentally was what the producer used last time
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:03 AM):
you walk out there and then
Akikonomu says (1:04 AM):
so it's doubly useless
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:04 AM):
dude, its political science.
Akikonomu says (1:04 AM):
?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:04 AM):
THEY will never give anything to you , as long as they think the money matters to you.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:04 AM):
take the money off the equation.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:04 AM):
ask only to talk.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:05 AM):
if they can'
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:05 AM):
t dictate the course of the conversation, they will refuse to talk to you
Akikonomu says (1:05 AM):
talk about money, of course
Akikonomu says (1:05 AM):
it's still in the equation, isn't it?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:05 AM):
they talk to you, they have to worry about rights, about future rewrites
Akikonomu says (1:05 AM):
i can't tell them to talk about nothing in particular either
Akikonomu says (1:06 AM):
can't tell them i want to talk about nothing in particular
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
ya they may think of you only of money grubbing
Akikonomu says (1:06 AM):
if not the pay issue, then what?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
but you're not right
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
its about the principle of it
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
why should you put in this much effort to make these musicians stars
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
just to be screwed over every position possible
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:06 AM):
you commit to making them stars
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:07 AM):
they commit to paying you what you're worth
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:07 AM):
simple equation
Akikonomu says (1:09 AM):
yes, yes, but what's the official reason i give for asking to meet with these 2 people?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:09 AM):
you want to help them.
Akikonomu says (1:10 AM):
not good enough to convince them for a meeting. too fluffy, lacks concreteness
Akikonomu says (1:10 AM):
producer is a man of pragmatism
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:10 AM):
dude
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:10 AM):
you can make it up
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:11 AM):
"listen... this is not working... there's too much noise in the machine ... I'm getting a lot of mixed signals. I am the best writer there is and I really want to see your musicians get famous. I'm sold. But we have to stop dissing each other. Let's talk."
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:11 AM):
im not going to tell you more
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:12 AM):
you have to decide what you want
Akikonomu says (1:12 AM):
not THEIR musicians
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:12 AM):
whoevers
Akikonomu says (1:12 AM):
the musicians were never theirs
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:12 AM):
don't care reallly. just a detaIL
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:12 AM):
you decide what you want out of this at the end
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:13 AM):
it dictates how you behave
Akikonomu says (1:13 AM):
i want the producer's head
Akikonomu says (1:13 AM):
failing which, i want the company's name to roll
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:13 AM):
then you won't get paid.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:13 AM):
company';s name will never roll
Akikonomu says (1:13 AM):
okay, in order of preference:
Akikonomu says (1:14 AM):
1. i want 75%
Akikonomu says (1:14 AM):
2. i want the producer to learn how paying writers works
Akikonomu says (1:14 AM):
really works within the system
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:14 AM):
then play to them, whatever it takes to get 75
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:14 AM):
unless you make 2 number 1
Akikonomu says (1:14 AM):
3. i want them to have more writers knocking down their door
Akikonomu says (1:14 AM):
so many they'd have to fend them off with a hot poker
Akikonomu says (1:15 AM):
writers who want to get 30% for showing up but not write a script
Akikonomu says (1:15 AM):
that's what i want, in order of preference
Akikonomu says (1:15 AM):
=D
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:16 AM):
what are you prepared to sacrifice
Akikonomu says (1:16 AM):
i'm willing to get $0 out of this
Akikonomu says (1:16 AM):
i.e. entire project scuttled
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:16 AM):
to disabuse you of the notion
Akikonomu says (1:16 AM):
i'm willing even to get $300 out of this if i get 2 or 3 achieved
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
without you
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
the project can stll happenb
Akikonomu says (1:17 AM):
without me, they already have the script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
kelvin might still get paid
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
other idiot writers might still get paid
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
all you have to do
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
is behave like a raging dick
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
in which case they can write you off without a doubt
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
and they'll say
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
hey
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:17 AM):
fucker's obviously a dick who doesn't care about what we wanna achieve with this project
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:18 AM):
we stuck around
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:18 AM):
we will make it work., we deserve every dollar
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:18 AM):
producer pays willlingly, provided he's stupid enough and their ideas are not too fucking stupid
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:18 AM):
it'd be mediocre but tts the industry standard
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:19 AM):
so you need to align what you want with what is certainly or likely going to happen
Akikonomu says (1:19 AM):
i want that 75%
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:19 AM):
then start sucking up
Akikonomu says (1:19 AM):
i told you that's my top preference
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:19 AM):
you have to call a talk
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:19 AM):
tell them you want to make them fay-moose
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:19 AM):
and ask what exactly is in the way
Akikonomu says (1:20 AM):
look. the producer and the director don't give a shit about the musicians themselves
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:20 AM):
they do
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:20 AM):
they make their $$$ off the musicians
Akikonomu says (1:20 AM):
what exactly is in the way is that they have far too many writers, and someone promised too much to all of them
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:20 AM):
not now, but maybe later
Akikonomu says (1:20 AM):
resulting in that assholic 30-30-40 suggestion
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:20 AM):
well then, how come you're not promising anyhting
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:21 AM):
you promising nothing and you want 70%
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:21 AM):
basic sales yea
Akikonomu says (1:21 AM):
i AM the script
Akikonomu says (1:21 AM):
i AM the final treatment
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:21 AM):
what have u sold so far?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:21 AM):
actively sold.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:21 AM):
in actual words and promises
Akikonomu says (1:21 AM):
kindly rephrase
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:22 AM):
maybe the other writers are passionate, they love the musicians, they want them to succeed, vs... someone who is just okay, “i’m cool, i always write good scripts and whoever gets to act it is going to be famous.”
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:22 AM):
don’t forget they spent more time with the producer
Akikonomu says (1:22 AM):
if the other writers are passionate why are they not the ones chosen to write the script?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:22 AM):
they have had a lot of time to show their passionate
Akikonomu says (1:23 AM):
your assumption is a fairy tale
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:23 AM):
well you need to ask the producer this.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:23 AM):
if a fairy tale, why this question: if you’re so well chosen, why are you having problems with them
Akikonomu says (1:23 AM):
the other 2 have never written a single script before this
Akikonomu says (1:24 AM):
if i'm so well-chosen, why the hell did samuel sabotage me as his co-writer for the script?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:24 AM):
perhaps
Akikonomu says (1:24 AM):
if i'm so well-chosen, why the hell did the director axe samuel instead of me?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:24 AM):
samuel didn’t do the due talk with the producer
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:24 AM):
hence, you have to ask.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:24 AM):
why is samuel passive-aggressively sabotating your efforts
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
why is samuel so pissed off>?
Akikonomu says (1:25 AM):
already, the director stopped discussion on that front
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
sorry
Akikonomu says (1:25 AM):
if you remember his "i want only HARMONY in my team"
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
you’re in the movie business. you have to be pushy.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
not prepared to be pushy, ok. don’t get paid,.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
be pushy in other words.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
director stopped discussion?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:25 AM):
i may be the bottom of the food chain, but
Akikonomu says (1:26 AM):
director, backed up by the producre
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:26 AM):
im the fucking writer. you answer to me, director.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:26 AM):
i am the Writer.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:27 AM):
about the only rule i can think of is this
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:27 AM):
anyone who walks away from a talk with you, is the one who deserves to be cut off.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:28 AM):
otherwise he values your contribution at Zero
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:28 AM):
always will. always have.
Akikonomu says (1:32 AM):
do you think we should have a face to face between you, me and choon hong to resolve the matter?
[01:31] Kelvin sng: no need
[01:31] Akikonomu: when you're 100% recovered, of course
[01:31] Kelvin sng: i belive we can come up with something fair
[01:31] Kelvin sng: for u, samuel and mak
[01:31] Akikonomu: and we can do that without meeting?
[01:31] Kelvin sng: yes
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:32 AM):
ask him what it will be.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:32 AM):
is sufficiently far enough along to make a decision.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:33 AM):
damn, these people are still tryign to be schoolboy politicians
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:33 AM):
detail it
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:34 AM):
they never understand that without 100% commitment from them, there can never be 100% from you
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:35 AM):
and oh god, what is your 100% worth. idiots
Akikonomu says (1:35 AM):
he's giving me an answer i don't like. simply by giving the kiss ass argument again
Akikonomu says (1:35 AM):
you know, the based on time put in by other writers
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:35 AM):
tts not how it works
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:35 AM):
and you have to tell him.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:35 AM):
and show it by a simple analogy
Akikonomu says (1:36 AM):
[01:34] Kelvin sng: based on the time u were not ard and they were working on 5 drafts of the treatment...
[01:35] Kelvin sng: and samuel making trips down twice to interview the cast and get info abt their real characters
[01:35] Kelvin sng: and Mak also contributing
[01:35] Kelvin sng: and u came in to write the script
[01:35] Kelvin sng: within 2 days u came up with first draft
[01:36] Kelvin sng: the way i see it is around 40-30-30
[01:36] Kelvin sng: u get 40\
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:36 AM):
the work of 50 workers vs a single architect
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:36 AM):
its up to you man... i can’t help you there....
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:36 AM):
as long as your ideas are sharp
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:36 AM):
u will be able to show that time based and actual final script is not the same thing
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:37 AM):
its about your sales skills
Akikonomu says (1:46 AM):
[01:40] Kelvin sng: if i ask u to write 5 drafts with a co-writer...
[01:40] Kelvin sng: and attend discussions at least 4 times
[01:40] Kelvin sng: and eventually ur work is not used
[01:41] Kelvin sng: and i give u 15%
[01:41] Kelvin sng: will u be happy?
Akikonomu says (1:46 AM):
SIGH
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
then you’d be just another newbie
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
who’s never done anything
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
and your time which you value is valued at nothing.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
you decide lor
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
its your personal value
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
professional writers don’t do these deals
Akikonomu says (1:47 AM):
once he came up with those lines, i could feel my hope sliping away
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:47 AM):
and the reason why they don’t is because they have a track record. every job they do, they fucking win
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:48 AM):
and now you have to decide which you are

Akikonomu says (1:48 AM):
if i walk away now, do i get $0?
Akikonomu says (1:49 AM):
do i even get the promise they won't use the script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:49 AM):
you get a threat
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:49 AM):
you can threaten to sue over the use of your script
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:50 AM):
in which case they will decide to contest it or not
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:50 AM):
for a 1000 dollar script deal, they will spend 22k
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:50 AM):
in lawyer fees
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:50 AM):
so they will likely not contest, but don’t take that as a given
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:50 AM):
some producers don’t like to lose. they are assholes that way
Akikonomu says (1:50 AM):
don't I have to spend something as well in order to threaten?
Akikonomu says (1:50 AM):
or the initial threat is free?
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
your threat won’t be based on IP as well
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
you will endeavour to ensure that no one but deadbeat desperate newbies will ever think of working with them again
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
because you know a LOT of talented people
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
talented people making nmoney
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
making lots of people famous
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:51 AM):
and they will all hear about their assholery
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
and they will all know who not to work with again.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
you fuckers.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
tts how you say it.
Akikonomu says (1:52 AM):
the "may you have more writers than you can deal with" thing
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
come on
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
they don’t have to actually believe it
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
you just have to say it
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:52 AM):
since you have no control over their beliefs or not
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
just one thing
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
vengance will come
Akikonomu says (1:53 AM):
the may you have more than enough deadbeat writers knocking at your door
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
they have time.
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
they will entertain deadbeats
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
but beyond that
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
they have to know that this is an industry based on rep
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:53 AM):
good writers work with good people
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:54 AM):
if they don’t believe it, then cool. suits them. fact is you cannot be a rabbit in a wolf industry
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:54 AM):
we are assholes. tts how we make a living

Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:55 AM):
unfortunately there’s a dream end to it, and there’s the business end
Vince - 1000 thread count cotton says (1:55 AM):
i doubt citibank had any sincere apologies about axing 50k people

Yea. Fuck you guys too.