- How do you like them apples now? -

I'm fucking Matt Damon.


Never give out your password or credit card number in an instant message conversation. To help prevent infection by a computer virus or worm, never accept or open any file or link in an instant message until you verify its authenticity with the sender.


Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:43:42 PM)
hey
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:43:48 PM)
parts per million is equal to what
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:43:49 PM)
do you know?
David Loh says: (11:44:02 PM)
yeah
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:46:26 PM)
ÒThis means that a 60-kg adult and a 30-kg child can ingest 37.8 mg and 18.9 mg of melamine, respectively, every day over a lifetime without health risk,Ó said AVA.

Actually, thatÕs a lot of melamine. The most amount of melamine found in a China imported product to date is 6,695 parts per million Ð about 6,695 milligrams per kilogram Ð more than 170 times the daily tolerable limit.


Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:46:34 PM)
io hope my math is right
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:46:36 PM)
damnit
David Loh says: (11:46:49 PM)
one sec
David Loh says: (11:53:46 PM)
yes...
David Loh says: (11:54:06 PM)
but you just need one analogy of melamine concentration right?
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:54:37 PM)
i need concrete figures 
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:54:46 PM)
i have the numbers but they're all in differnet formats
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:54:52 PM)
i know the daily tolerable dosage
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:54:57 PM)
but it is expressed as mg/kg
David Loh says: (11:55:12 PM)
then just use mg/kg lor
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:55:13 PM)
i have the levels of melamine detected but it is expressed as parts per million
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:55:31 PM)
you see i don;t "Just use"
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:55:41 PM)
i have to do something "better"
David Loh says: (11:55:59 PM)
orh ok
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:56:02 PM)
othrewise any tom dick and harry can write what i write
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:56:09 PM)
we'd be *****
David Loh says: (11:56:45 PM)
mg/kg is standard expression?
David Loh says: (11:56:56 PM)
actually this is news to me..
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:21 PM)
in nutrition
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:28 PM)
you'll find it in things like RDI
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:32 PM)
recommended daily intakes
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:36 PM)
or tolerable intakes
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:47 PM)
mg refers to the substance
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:52 PM)
kg refers to the weight of a person
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:57:59 PM)
so if you are 60 kg
David Loh says: (11:58:10 PM)
one sec.
David Loh says: (11:58:19 PM)
6.695mg/KG is max
David Loh says: (11:58:37 PM)
is the milk I mean
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:58:45 PM)
and Tolerable Daily Intake (TDI) is 0.62 mg per kg of body weight per day.  
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:58:54 PM)
how do they arrive at 37.8mg
Vince - Midnight ! says: (11:58:56 PM)
bah!
David Loh says: (11:59:16 PM)
wait
David Loh says: (11:59:57 PM)
6.695mg/KG is the product's concentration
David Loh says: (12:00:17 AM)
you have to ingest 1 KG of that product to have 6.695mg of melamine
David Loh says: (12:00:25 AM)
right?
Vince - how do you go frm mg/kg per body weight per day to says: (12:00:34 AM)
yea
David Loh says: (12:01:11 AM)
so how can u get 170 times?
David Loh says: (12:02:11 AM)
daily tolerance is 37.8mg
David Loh says: (12:02:42 AM)
170x37.8mg=6426mg
David Loh says: (12:04:01 AM)
to ingest that amt from aforesaid product is 6426/6.695mg/KG=959.8KG of the product
David Loh says: (12:04:05 AM)
..
David Loh says: (12:04:06 AM)
ok
David Loh says: (12:04:09 AM)
maths done
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:08:31 AM)
fine
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:08:34 AM)
i don't understand it
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:08:38 AM)
i have made my peace
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:08:46 AM)
zhiyuan can understand
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:08:53 AM)
but balls to him if he can explain it any better than i can
David Loh says: (12:09:25 AM)
just word it
David Loh says: (12:09:29 AM)
I'll phrase it
David Loh says: (12:09:36 AM)
with numbers
David Loh says: (12:10:12 AM)
btw are the concentration of the melamine in the product correct?
David Loh says: (12:10:48 AM)
if it is, then it's below the daily limit even if you take 3KG of the product.
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:13:30 AM)
new
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:13:31 AM)
ÒThis means that a 60-kg adult and a 30-kg child can ingest 37.8 mg and 18.9 mg of melamine, respectively, every day over a lifetime without health risk,Ó said AVA.

Actually, thatÕs not a lot of melamine. To give you an example, youÕll only be at risk if you consume more than 5 tins of Khong Guan Assorted biscuits over your lifetime. Each tin weighs a kilogram and a maximum of 6.6 parts per milli
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:13:44 AM)
Actually, thatÕs not a lot of melamine. To give you an example, youÕll only be at risk if you consume more than 5 tins of Khong Guan Assorted biscuits over your lifetime. Each tin weighs a kilogram and a maximum of 6.6 parts per million (milligrams per kg) have been detected in it.
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:13:56 AM)
ok now the maths makes more sense
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:14:09 AM)
you got to match the weight (units)
David Loh says: (12:14:15 AM)
conversely, my point is.. if you're a 3KG baby and you tend to consume about 1.2 litres of milk everyday
Vince - Right, ok. I can't do Math. Always knew it. says: (12:14:16 AM)
to the parts per million
David Loh says: (12:14:23 AM)
that would be beyond your tolerable limit
David Loh says: (12:14:36 AM)
3KG baby can only take 1.89mg
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:16:32 AM)
example b
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:16:46 AM)
chocolate biscuit: comes in units of 21g/pack
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:16:57 AM)
ava says u have to eat 104 packs to become ill
David Loh says: (12:16:58 AM)
the issue affects babies most
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:17:05 AM)
the melamine level is 17.3ppm
David Loh says: (12:17:07 AM)
as many were admitted with kidney stones
David Loh says: (12:17:10 AM)
and death
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:17:11 AM)
now i have a formula
David Loh says: (12:17:26 AM)
oh
David Loh says: (12:17:38 AM)
so that's 17.3mg/KG
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:18:45 AM)
howja do that
Vince - unHappy Halloween says: (12:18:45 AM)
damnit
David Loh says: (12:19:26 AM)
1KG = 1000gram
David Loh says: (12:19:32 AM)
1gram = 1000mg
David Loh says: (12:19:42 AM)
so 1million mg = 1kg
Vince - yes I cannot balance my cheque book. says: (12:19:44 AM)
oh
Vince - yes I cannot balance my cheque book. says: (12:19:50 AM)
i didn't know 1 gram = 1000mg
Vince - yes I cannot balance my cheque book. says: (12:19:51 AM)
hahaha
Vince - yes I cannot balance my cheque book. says: (12:19:58 AM)
fuck me with a calculator
David Loh says: (12:20:11 AM)
the calculator is square bro
David Loh says: (12:20:21 AM)
that would be painful and impractical
David Loh says: (12:21:19 AM)
so..
David Loh says: (12:21:39 AM)
a baby takes 240ml every 3 hours
David Loh says: (12:22:06 AM)
6 feeds a day
Vince - yes I cannot balance my cheque book. says: (12:22:16 AM)
i can't believe how sucky i am at this

David Loh says: (12:22:33 AM)
.24*6= 1.44KG
David Loh says: (12:23:18 AM)
 17.8mg/KG*1.44KG=25.632
David Loh says: (12:23:24 AM)
25.632mg
David Loh says: (12:23:53 AM)
of intake a day for 3KG baby who can take only 1.89mg
David Loh says: (12:23:59 AM)
that's way way overhead
David Loh says: (12:24:23 AM)
25.632/1.89 = 13.56 times to be precise
David Loh says: (12:24:28 AM)
bad bad for babies
David Loh says: (12:24:32 AM)
that's why they die...
David Loh says: (12:25:12 AM)
Angela's mum on the other hand needed a diuretic diet because of it.. and yes her kidneys hurt from the milk.. but not deadly..
David Loh says: (12:25:42 AM)
ok dokie?
Vince - In another life I was Sarah Palin says: (12:26:31 AM)
nah
Vince - In another life I was Sarah Palin says: (12:26:40 AM)
you lost me at  17.8mg/KG*1.44KG=25.632
David Loh says: (12:27:13 AM)
that is 25.632mg of melamine intake per day for a regular bby
David Loh says: (12:27:15 AM)
baby
Vince - you lost me at  17.8mg/KG*1.44KG=25.632 says: (12:27:23 AM)
baby gaga
Vince - you lost me at  17.8mg/KG*1.44KG=25.632 says: (12:27:33 AM)
make poopie pie
David Loh says: (12:27:46 AM)
concentration level (mm/KG) times volume of intake = total intake
Vince - you lost me at  17.8mg/KG*1.44KG=25.632 says: (12:27:48 AM)
neener neener neener
David Loh says: (12:28:13 AM)
just remember.. very very deadly for babies.. very very bad for toddlers


The apples suck, man.